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And all the republicans will still vote red for the lying, cheating, grifting man.

All my life I have had faith in the governments reports and statistics for the most part. This admin has torn everything down and for what?


For a sizable fraction of people, when the facts conflict with their biases, they choose to reject the facts and double-down on their biases.

Racism is a very powerful belief system.

-isms of all kind are powerful. But the most powerful are those that give the believer a distant group of people for them to blame for all their troubles, which are often self-inflicted.

I guess people are reading a lot into what I said. If the shoe fits, yadda yadda.

Others pointed out the meta, which is that if you want -ism to hate some people, a good way to do that is to say that their -ism hates you. I suppose that could be extended to third or fourth levels of meta.


Are you saying that calling people racist is the worst bigotry?

no they're agreeing racism is bad

More likely something like describing Trumpism.

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> False accusations of racism (and similar moral slander) is the first step in dehumanizing an outgroup.

Accurately describing the racism that motivates the politics and actions of a group is the first step in addressing the way they dehumanize their opponents.


Pretty fascinating dem vs rep split. Dems say everyone experiences racism. Reps say white people experience it.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/05/20/views-of-how...


We must be reading different charts — the only one I can see has consistent numbers among Republicans (50%) but high numbers for Democrats (90%) except for Whites (20%).

So your characterization is completely wrong: Republicans mildly think everybody does, while Democrats deny white people do.


We must be on different planets since America and its institutions are majority white.

> 94% of Democrats say Black people face at least some discrimination, compared with 54% of Republicans. 90% of Democrats say the same about Hispanic people, compared with 54% of Republicans. 83% of Democrats say Asian people face widespread discrimination, versus 51% of Republicans. By contrast, Republicans are far more likely than Democrats to say that White people face at least some discrimination (55% vs. 21%).


It's more general than that.

Anti-vaxxers are a good example. Despite studies repeatedly debunking the link between vaccines and autism, plenty of people still believe vaccines cause autism. Many people who know someone who has experienced side effects from a vaccine start to believe vaccines are dangerous regardless of any studies demonstrating how exceedingly rare said side effects are.

Flat Earthers are another example. While undoubtedly some of their ranks are people just trying to be contrarian, the true believers will find alternative explanations for every piece of evidence you try to show them that Earth is indeed round.


From an outsider's perspective, it's to be expected given the existence of cognitive dissonance.

I just wish people would snap out of it _eventually_


People tend to vote with their wallets in mind more than anything. I think that's why it ping ponged(inflation), and why they're getting destroyed in the midterm polling. The next president will likely have a D next to their name(more inflation).

I heard a good quote once: People don't vote to say thank you. People vote to say fuck you.

>People don't vote to say thank you.

How true is that? Plenty of older people I know vote consistently for one party because it did something good for them a long time ago.


I don't trust polling.

Both times Trump won, the polls predicted he would lose.

Legally can't run a third time or be voted for again. But then again, legality hasn't stopped the things he does. Others need to step up.

They reinterpreted the constitution to say no president can be presidentmore than twice consecutively, even though it doesn't say that. Like how in Russia, the constitution obviously meant to say Putin will always be the president.

Not by anything like the 8-9 points we're seeing in midterm polling right now.

Trump was president before. People didn't vote for him a second time if they wanted to improve the economy.

Trump himself only happened because Ds abandoned the working class for grievance politics circa 2010 — forming “public private partnerships” to tear open old wounds while screwing the working class on behalf of corporations.

Ds are doing neither. They're just pretending if they don't change anything, everything will be alright.

> forming “public private partnerships” to tear open old wounds while screwing the working class on behalf of corporations.

Sorry what does that mean? Are all PPPs woke or something? Did US elites ever stand with workers against corporations?


Obama worked with Wall St to promote Woke/ESG/etc in public-private partnerships to dismantle the class solidarity forming in 2010 around anger over Wall St bailouts.

OWS itself fell apart when activists started with race and sex based grievances rather than class solidarity.

Trump is a result of that choice to institutionalize bigotry rather than address class issues — as Trump’s margin in 2016 seems to come down to working class voters uninterested in grievance politics. (And the large Obama -> Trump voter swing, eg, among Millennial men.)

> Ds abandoned the working class for grievance politics circa 2010

Which I already explained in the first part of my statement you selectively edited out.


You're a couple decades late there, it was Clinton and the Third Way(tm) Democrats that abandoned blue collar workers.

(Of course, that doesn't capture the full story either -- before '92, white blue collar workers were already abandoning the Democrats to support Reagan while he and the Republicans gutted private sector unions.)


They had a firm belief that the reports and statistics were fake. Let's see how this turns out.

*by "they" I mean the voters... the people that were elected were, and are well informed


How confident are we that they know it’s fake? I somehow doubt they close the door and pull out the real information.

That tells a lot about Christian values

Time will tell how the votes will go in November. Right now the thing I'm hearing on podcasts is that a significant group of people who voted for Trump in 2024 might stay home. We'll know in less than two months.

May I assume you ask "for what?" rhetorically?

Still have my fingers crossed that the guy in Kentucky gunning for McConnell's seat can pull off a historic upset.

> All my life I have had faith in the governments reports and statistics ...

My Boomer mother tells me about this all the time. She said, growing up, people had absolute faith in everything the US government did or said; it was like religion. Then Vietnam happened. Specifically, the reporting around Vietnam and the number of casualties. My mother said that everyone knew someone who lost a family member in Vietnam, but the government was like, "Everything's fine."


Yeah I’m more talking things like the census. Or the report that they skipped a month of this year (inflation, jobs, I can’t recall for certain).

> ...and for what?

To keep the grift going, of course.


That's fair to say, but lacks details.

Most of Trump's public statements are done through a company that he owns. That same company charges a modest $100,000 per month for early access to his posts; just straight up facilitating insider trading for the President's personal profit. Plus people might find the administration making decision in their favor while paying the $100,000 a month.

There's also Trumpcoin through which people can transfer money to the President. This just happens in the open. Remember when Trump had personal 1-on-1 meetings with the top Trumpcoin holders? I remember.

I've barely scratched the surface here. Trump's personal worth has increased $3,000,000,000 during his second term, so far.

Corruption has existed before, but it has never been this out in the open.


Which can only probably be a benefit. If the corruption is this blatant and bad maybe the next swing around the pendulum there is less because people realize how much it's bad.

Is secret corruption or open corruption worse? It's an interesting question; each has unique cons.

I will say that open corruption is only better if people recognize it as corruption. The people in my life do not know about the things I mentioned, and they don't care to learn about it.


Only if it’s corrected, otherwise people naturally adopt a tit-for-tat and you end up quickly in a no trust society. The bigger problem is t Trump, it’s that everyone now kinda shrugs and we are all worse off.

No. Unpunished, open corruption among society’s leaders is the single fastest vector for rotting a society, because why should I believe you, or anyone, or any institution, when the only self-evident strategy that works is that power trumps everything. It trumps ethics and morality, it trumps consequences of our actions, and it trumps you - the outsider who is not me.

The pendulum you speak of, just like a physical pendulum, runs out of steam, slows down due to friction and the loss of energy. And the only way to restart it is a not with nudges. It’s with a huge push all at once. This may result in some pretty radical swings before things settle down.


It'll remain bad unless these people face the proper punishment for selling out the country.

Isn’t it convenient that nobody understands? How could we possibly regulate something that isn’t understood? It’s like social media all over again. We can’t be responsible for someone else’s content; it’s not us so you can’t penalize us!!

> Isn’t it convenient that nobody understands? How could we possibly regulate something that isn’t understood?

You mean like the human body? The brain?


If LLMs are like humans, then OpenAI and Anthropic are like slave traders.

I disagree with you that OpenAI and Anthropic are slave traders.

But I think we agree that there are regulated industries built around systems which we don’t fully understand.


My point is that they are using a similar playbook to avoid taking responsibility.

Who is not taking responsibility? You think that anaylst that copy pasted AI slob of such a critical information will be rewarded?

It just feels like the companies behind AIs are spinning their own poor monitoring and criminal (digital) trespassing into something they can't be held responsible for. Even though they are, of course. In the hugging face incident, Anthropic should pay for damages and a fine for malicious hacking. In this incident, whoever signed off on using the tool, and whoever said the intel was good should both be prosecuted or at the very least reprimanded (whatever the rules for a bad interpretation of intel is) and the tool put on hold.

“Convenient” sure sounds like trying to allude to a conspiracy theory. Is that what you’re doing? Why not state your claims or questions directly?

How exactly does this square with slowing down at the frontier?

Knowingly causing errors is not forgivable whereas hallucinations sounds esoteric and moves blame away from the people who are knowingly causing errors. It’s marketing speak.

It’s a concentration of power issue.

Given they seem to mostly offer services that are about as easy to switch away from as you could hope for, compared to, say, companies who write loads of CF that only runs on AWS, and I can't imagine why this keeps on being said for Cloudflare specifically. What power do they have?

It doesn't matter that they're easy to switch away from. It matters that people haven't actually switched away from them.

Can you explain why it doesn't matter that they're easy to switch away from?

Because it only matters whether people actually switch away from them.

> The company released six internal case studies where none of the issues affected real users.

This is the most interesting point to me. What are they not releasing that has affected real users? We’ve seen some individual reports from people (eg AI wiped my HD).


Imagine how pervasively they'd have to monitor what their users are doing to pick up on that whenever it happens. The people affected that way will have to report on it themselves.

(OpenAI does occasionally report on malicious use though. [1] That shows they do some monitoring.)

[1] https://openai.com/index/disrupting-malicious-ai-uses/


No that’s just for school shootings and LARPers.

Like a decade for me now. I don’t read or watch anything anymore. I just buy whatever the new version is when I need it and live with it. I yearn for something truly exciting, groundbreaking, and accessible (price) from Apple. iPod era was so dope.

It’s not actually independent.

In what sense?

By and large it is independent of the whims of the administration because of its goals (specific inflation and unemployment targets) being more or less contraindicative to what administrations want to do (spend money)


True. They are compelled to dance to two tunes. One of them is the bond market, and it is independent.

How can they even pretend to distance themselves from Google…

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